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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Is this all made out of Lecce stone?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Of course, stone from Lecce.  All the churches and houses you have seen so far are made from the same material.  It\rquote s the same.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 My goodness!  I love this one!  Isn\rquote t it heavy?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Yes, it\rquote s quite heavy!  Definitely.  But it\rquote s all one piece.  It really is a single piece of stone.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Can I try it?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Of course. Sit down. Stretch out. Go on, go ahead.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Ah, like this. Oh goodness! And these strange ones here \endash  aren\rquote t they heavy?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 No, they\rquote re not that heavy. Look!  Try this one, look.  See, this stone weighed 45
 kilos to start with.  Now it only weighs eight.  It has been completely hollowed out by hand, then sculpted, you see, and now it\rquote s really light.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Doesn\rquote t it break easily?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 No, no. Look.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Goodness! It\rquote s strange because it\rquote s just like coral.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Yes, just like coral.  I have done a lot of diving, both in Central America and Indonesia, in the Indian Ocean, and here too \endash 
 because we have some beautiful coastlines \endash  and this is where I got my inspiration.  So, the 
detail you can see in this cup, can you see?  This is an enlargement of madrepore coral, the base of the reef, where the coral is attached.  This is called madrepore coral. This is an enlargement.  That\rquote 
s what it looks like magnified millions of times!
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Is it done by hand?  Completely hand-made? 
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 
I sculpt them all by hand, with a hammer and chisel.  All the work is done by hand. More than anything else I wanted to give this stone a completely new look.  Because we can\rquote t always see it in the same way.  Also because the baroque style \endash 
 reproduction baroque, in other words \endash  columns are quite heavy, which is something I\rquote ve tried to eliminate.  I try to give the stone a certain lightness.  I\rquote ll show you how the stone is sculpted.  Here we are, this is the workshop.

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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James:}{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040  OK, what fantastic light!
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Great light, isn\rquote t it?!  Yes, it was designed on purpose.  And this is Lecce stone.  This is the stone I use.  See, these are the blocks I order from the quarry.

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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Ah, are they cut for you?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Yes, yes, they cut them specially for me.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Then what happens?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo:}{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040  When they arrive we take them and start working straight on the block of stone.  Do you want to dsee how we work?  Wait, I\rquote ll just take this off for a minute.

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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 These are the tools?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 These are the tools I use for working.  They\rquote re all carpenter\rquote s tools.  I use the same tools a carpenter u
ses for carving wood.  They are traditional tools.  I only use tools that people used to use in the past.  Stone cutters used these tools: a hammer and chisel.  You see, this is the big block, 50 centimetres square.  I have drawn the natural shape with a 
pencil, and then I start with the hammer and chisel.  You see, it\rquote s a very soft stone.  In fact it\rquote s a sandstone.  It was formed in the Neolithic period.  Four million years ago.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 So it is sedimentary?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 It\rquote s a sedimentary rock.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Was Lecce under the sea? 
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Lecce was on a sandbank.  During the ice ages this sand solidified and became Lecce stone.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 You have travelled a lot.  What interests me is why you came back here to Lecce?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 I can\rquote t stay away from my land.  I am very attached to this place.  I\rquote m very attached to this material and to the work I do.  So I couldn\rquote 
t really leave.  I have been working with this stone for twenty years now, and I can\rquote t leave this stone or my house, the place I live \endash  which gives me the mental space I need to work and to create.
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 I can understand that.  Can you show me a finished piece?
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\par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Renzo Butazzo: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Of course!  Come on, let\rquote s go through.}{
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