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Is that true? \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 \par }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 No, it\rquote s the first! \par }\pard\plain \s15\ql \li0\ri0\nowidctlpar\tx0\hyphpar0\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0 \f6\fs24\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 {\f0\fs20\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 \par }\pard\plain \ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\tx0\hyphpar0\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0 \fs20\lang2057\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp2057\langfenp1033 {\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 The first! But in terms of population, it\rquote s Rome,isn\rquote t it? \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Yes, of course, of course. The Milanese have always considered their city the moral capital of the country. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 The moral capital?! \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Of course. Because, according to the Milanese, Rome is a den of vice, immorality and corruption. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 But this is\'85 capital cities are always corrupt. But Milan is also the business capital, isn\rquote t it? \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Of business, finance, industry. And we Milanese don\rquote t follow fashion \endash we create it! \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 The Milanese are proud and \'85 \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 They\rquote re also arrogant! \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Is that what other Italians say? \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 The Milanese are a bit arrogant. They\rquote re wealthy. Any hotelier who has a Milanese for a client is lucky because when they\rquote re on holiday they\rquote re generous with their money. They\rquote re generous, yes. You expect them to be generous and above all they love work. Look at that! That is a building which belongs to the Assicurazioni Generali company. Look at the beautiful\'85 the beautiful decoration. Assicurazioni Generali is the country\rquote s largest insurance company and had a very famous employee - Franz Kafka! Yes, Kafka used to work for Generali in Prague. Milan is certainly not Florence, or Rome, but we have a few writers as well. Maybe we buy our culture! \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 \par }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 So why have we come here? \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 First of all because as an Italian and a European I owe a debt to the Romans, because they gave us civilisation. We can laugh at the Romans, but it\rquote s a fact. European civilisation wouldn\rquote t exist if it wasn\rquote t for the Romans. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 And is this a special place for you? \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Yes, it\rquote s a special place because in a certain sense it represents all of Milan \endash Milan two thousand years ago and Milan today. The fact that the city is constantly changing, building and re-building. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Is Milan still changing? \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Yes, it is changing, it has to change, it must. Milan changes, it works, it innovates. Milan drives the country\rquote s economy. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 And does the work ethic change too? \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Well, I have always worked in big companies. I used to go to work in a jacket and tie. My son, on the other hand, goes to work at ten in the morning and sits in front of a computer. He dresses terribly, but he works a ten-hour day. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Ah, he works. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 He does. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 He\rquote s Milanese. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Yes, he\rquote s Milanese. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 James: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Thank you. \par \par \par }{\b\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 Germano Azzoni: }{\lang1040\langfe1033\langnp1040 You\rquote re welcome. Thank you. Let\rquote s go! \par \par }\pard \ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0 { \par }}