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The Tech Billionaire Taking On AI Companies

Matthew Prince, CEO of cybersecurity giant Cloudflare, on why it's blocking bots that scrape content to train models like OpenAI鈥檚 ChatGPT and Google鈥檚 Gemini.

Artificial Intelligence is fundamentally changing the internet. But Matthew Prince, CEO of cybersecurity giant Cloudflare, thinks there is a way to ensure content creators and publishers earn enough to operate 鈥 even as their work feeds AI.

Cloudflare has put up digital firewalls around its clients鈥 sites, which blocks the bots that copy content to train large language models like OpenAI鈥檚 ChatGPT and Anthropic鈥檚 Claude. It is then up to its customers to choose whether to allow those so-called AI 鈥渃rawlers鈥 to access their sites.

He hopes his decision will lead to a better deal for publishers as 鈥榮earch engines鈥 become 鈥榓nswer engines鈥 in the era of AI overviews and chatbots, which has an impact on website traffic.

The UK鈥檚 Competition and Markets Authority has designated Google with strategic market status in general search, which includes AI Overview and AI Mode. But Google says 鈥渕any of the ideas for interventions that have been raised in this process would inhibit UK innovation and growth, potentially slowing product launches at a time of profound AI-based innovation.鈥 The company also disputes Matthew鈥檚 claim that traffic to websites has fallen since the launch of AI Overview.

Amol and Matthew also speak about the debate between artists like Sir Elton John and the UK government over plans to exempt technology firms from copyright laws.

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