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Chaos Management: Do Fewer Rules Make For Better Workplaces?

From startups to boardrooms, some leaders thrive on disruption. We explore whether chaos is the secret to creativity and success - or a recipe for disaster.

Can chaos ever be good for business? From Donald Trump鈥檚 unpredictable tariff policies to Elon Musk鈥檚 disruptive leadership style, some of the world鈥檚 most high-profile figures seem to thrive on disorder. But does chaos drive innovation 鈥 or just confusion? In a world where start-ups often celebrate mess and speed over tidy management, we ask if 鈥済etting things done鈥 sometimes means throwing out the rulebook. Evan Davis and guests discuss whether the best results really come from a bit of chaos.

Guests:
Jesper Brodin, CEO, IKEA (Ingka Group)
Erin Meyer, Professor at INSEAD and co-author of 鈥楴o Rules Rules鈥
Simon Dixon, CEO, Hatmill, supply chain and logistics consultancy

Production team:
Presenter: Evan Davis
Producers: Sally Abrahams, Phoebe Keane, Kirsteen Knight
Production co-ordinator: Rosie Strawbridge
Sound engineers: Kris Hansen and Neva Missirian
Editor: Matt Willis

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34 minutes

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  • Thu 9 Oct 2025 12:04
  • Tue 14 Oct 2025 21:30

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