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A clash between a trans doctor, Beth Upton, and a nurse, Sandie Peggie (pictured), in the changing room of an NHS Fife hospital has been played out and examined in great detail during an employment tribunal this year.

Martin Geissler asks Sandie Peggie’s lawyer, Naomi Cunningham, about her role in what she calls the 'gender wars'.

Scotcast is the Â鶹Éç’s Scottish news podcast. This episode is hosted by Martin Geissler.

Get in touch: scotcast@bbc.co.uk