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Governor Jerry Brown of California is the longest serving governor the biggest state in America has ever had - he served in the 70s and 80s and returned to office seven years ago.

Now nearly 80, he's battling the Trump administration with enormous gusto - using the courts to challenge the federal government whenever he can.

Can he win these battles? Can California and other states where Trump is unpopular, stymie his plans? Jim Naughtie sat down with Jerry Brown in San Francisco to hear him put his case.

(Photo: Governor Jerry Brown Credit: Getty Images)