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In this special Football Daily podcast, Mark Chapman sits down to chat to Premier League referee Mike Dean on his extraordinary career, after he announced his retirement at the end of last season after over 20 years at the very top of the game.

He tells Mark how he started in the lower leagues and rose to the very top – and lets us in on a few secrets along the way… like who were his favourite players - to the manager he feared the most and lifts the lid on what really goes on in the referees dressing rooms. Not only that we hear his views on how the game has changed throughout his time on the pitch and of course VAR gets a mention too!