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Could finding religion allow Gen Z to better find their place in the world? That is the assessment made by Jordan Schwarzenberger, the manager of Europe鈥檚 biggest YouTube group Sidemen and advisor to Downing Street鈥檚 Small Business Council. He converted to Catholicism in 2020 after being a devout atheist all his life.

He now argues that we're too obsessed with pleasure and that in turning our backs on the Catholic Church we have become a less moral society.

Jordan tells Amol about how he came to Christianity at a Kanye West album launch party, how his new-found faith has impacted his life and why he wants more people to follow in his footsteps.

This is part two of Amol鈥檚 Jordan Schwarzenberger interview. Look back in your feed for the first part, where Jordan explains how to build a successful brand on social media.

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