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Access All – Ep 191

Presented by Emma Tracey

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Hello, this is Access All, the Â鶹Éç’s disability and mental health podcast. I’m Emma Tracey. Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas. It is definitely the festive period at this point, and we have a very Christmasy quiz coming up for you. Enjoy.

MUSIC-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Theme music.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Hello and welcome to our very special Christmas episode, our very, very disability quiz, A Question of Support. That’s A Question of Support. Playing this cleverly conceived game I’ve got three lovely guests: I’ve got Gary O’Donoghue, chief America correspondent with the Â鶹Éç. He is blind and that is relevant. I’ll tell you why in a minute. Hi, Gary.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Hello, Emma. Hello all. How are you?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m well. Where are you?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I am currently in Adelaide in Australia. I am preparing to see England get beaten at cricket again.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ah, so you’re actually on your holidays?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I am on my holidays yeah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Wow.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, this is a guest appearance.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, we are honoured, sir. Are you ready for this very special quiz?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý By no means.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, excellent news, excellent news. We’ve also got Juliette Burton, comedian, presenter, journalist. If I was to say all her diagnoses we’d be here all day. But mental health is quite a big one, isn’t it, Juliette?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It is.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Which is also relevant and I’ll tell you why in a minute. How are you?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m very well, thank you. December’s always a bit dark and seems to take forever, but I’m loving being here.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Christmas shopping?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes. I think I’m pretty much done. I think I got a couple of socks yesterday online and I think that’s it. I’m going to be doing a lot of writing over December. It’s going to be gearing up for a new project in 2026.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m excited to hear about those next year. And we have actor from Coronation Street no less, comedian from Britain’s Got Talent no less, we’ve got Jack Carroll representing the cerebral palsy crew!

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, no pressure, no pressure [laughter]. You know what they get like if they feel you’ve done wrong.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Does the WhatsApp group blow up no end?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Exactly, I’ll be getting calls no end.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý How are you?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m very good. Thank you for having me. I’m slightly nervous about the nature of the quiz; I’ve just had it explained to me. But I’m very excited to be here.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And what are you up to at the moment?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I am gearing up for my new standup tour, the Fall Guy, which starts in February 2026.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý The Fall Guy?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý How did you pick that name, Jack Carroll?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I would love to say there is some grand thematic reason for it, but actually I just thought it was a funny title.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do you fall over on the regular?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Not as regularly as some people may think, and more regularly than others may think.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do you know, I just saw a Facebook post from Lost Voice Guy, another very famous comedian with cerebral palsy.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý He’ll be ringing me if I lose.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Will he? Well, he was actually just saying that he missed a couple of gigs at the weekend because he fell over and split his head open.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I saw that, I saw his posts.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s part of the disability life.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, an accidental stage dive is always a possibility.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý The Fall Guy is a fantastic title. It’s almost as good as A Question of Support.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, I wouldn’t want to…

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I wouldn’t go that far [laughter].

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý …yeah, say that I’ve reached those heady heights. I don’t think so.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý The word play is strong here.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Will I explain the game to you?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You may, please.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It is very, very simple. Each player is out for themselves, and the only aim is to score as many points as possible. It’s a play on A Question of Sport, that very, very famous quiz show. And it is not the picture round because I would not be very good at hosting that, and Gary you would not win that one.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý The what happens next thing you mean? [Laughter]

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s actually based on the home and away round. You can say that you want a question about your own disability, impairment, condition, diagnosis, way of life, or about a random one. Your own is home, you get one point for that. A random one that gets you two points, if you get the random one. So, it’s your choice. It’s tactics as to how many points you get. Let’s get started [music]. We’ll go for Gary first, because obviously blind people are my favourites. Are you going to go for a home or an away question?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going to go for a home question just to see if I can find my feet.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, that is a question about blindness and visual impairment.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý How many visually impaired people are there in the United Kingdom?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Doesn’t that depend?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý On what?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Are you talking about people whose sight cannot be corrected by glasses, that’s one measure? Totally blind people another measure. Am I nitpicking here?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý We’re talking about an estimate of the number, the full number of visually impaired people, and it’s by the RNIB.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going to say, if it doesn’t include these people that can’t have their sight corrected with glasses, 600,000.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s way off the mark actually.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh my god.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah. Anyone, to pick up a half a point?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý To steal it?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I would say 1.2 million.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Still way off the mark.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going to say 3 million.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh wow. I don’t think anyone gets a point for that. It’s 2 million.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, I nearly said that.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I nearly said that too.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, Gary, no points for you.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No points for me.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You see, this is the thing, you need to know, you may not be at an advantage going for a home question.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Clearly.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right, we’ll go for Juliette next because she’s next in my…

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m right here. Bring it on.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Home or away?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think I’m going to stick with the strategy of Gary and go home, just to get some confidence up. Although that didn’t work out for you, Gary.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý SSRIs, it’s a class of drug used on conditions like depression and anxiety. But what does SSRI stand for?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s serotonin reuptake inhibitors. I’ve forgotten what the other S is. How could I have forgotten the other S?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Give it a shot.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I do know it.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think she gets that.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, thank you. Is it not three out of four is enough? It is super serotonin [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Go on, show your knowledge, Jack Carroll.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s selective.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well done! Wow guys, that’s amazing!

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, but you see when you take them you don’t actually care what it stands for, so [laughs].

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý But then again it’s selective so yours could have been correct.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think after that Juliette gets a point. And that was very, very good, Jack, but I’m not going to add anything to your score for that. Sorry, I’m very harsh.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Harsh.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s okay, I’ll need some SSRIs after that judgement [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right, Jack it’s you.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Lovely.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Home or away?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Can I buck the trend and take an away question, please?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Wow.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Go for it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Of course home would have been about cerebral palsy because that will be your specialist subject obviously.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Indeed.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s what you’ve got.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý From a very young age, yeah [laughter].

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý A lifelong devotion.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý A lifelong devotion, exactly. I do realise how medicalised this quiz is coming across. It’s clearly the pinnacle of my career to talk about impairments in this way. But anyway, A Question of Support, a cleverly conceived game, let’s go for an away question.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s never not going to be funny that title [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý This one’s about pain and biology. What is the main difference between osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý One is nerves and one is joints, right? But I don’t know which.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I could help a little bit with a guess. I thought one was about joints and bones and the other one is about tissue.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Go on then, so I think osteoarthritis is bone pain and rheumatoid is tissue pain.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, what I have here on my card is that osteo is caused by wear and tear, so it’s wear and tear.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ah.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý But rheumatoid, which is the interesting one [laughter]…

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, you’ve got a favourite [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I cannot have a favourite arthritis.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Sorry, listeners, so sorry for anyone.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Division one and two arthritis.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Isn’t there a hierarchy in every disability?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Is there? That’s a different game, the Top Trumps cards.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý We can do that later. Rheumatoid is around where your autoimmune system attacks your joints.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I should have known that.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, you didn’t, so. Okay, we’re back round to Gary O’Donoghue. Before I start rustling too much, Gary are you a home or an away?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, well I’m going to have to make up some ground here, aren’t I, so, I’m going to go away.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It would have been about blindness if it was a home question, but it’s not, it’s an away question. It’s a bold tactic.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, I could pretend I’m something else. Can I pretend I’m something else? [Laughter]

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, Gary, no, no, you can’t do that. This one is about learning disability. What is the name of the form of sign made famous by Mr Tumble that some people with learning disabilities use to help them communicate?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, do you know I have literally no idea.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think one of you can steal this. Any ideas?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I am not an avid Mr Tumble viewer, so.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, I’m afraid I haven’t done that homework [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, you haven’t a clue, do you?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Had I but known I would have loved to have watched Mr Tumble.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Mr Tumble’s great.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, the question again, it’s a sign?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s a form of sign, like a language.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý A language, like a gesture?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s a simple, straightforward form of sign for words like eat and drink.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s not two fingers, is it?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Gary!

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý [Laughs]

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, it’s not two fingers, no. Although anybody is eligible to use that, including people with learning disabilities [laughter]. It is actually called Makaton, and it’s named after three people called Margaret, Kathy and Tony who were in Botley’s Park Hospital, which was an institution where 1,100 people lived. They worked there and they came up with it in 1968 and it was very, very, very, very successful.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I hosted an event this month for Sense, the charity Sense.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh yeah, deaf blind.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, deaf blind and people with disabilities and complex needs. And I made a fool of myself because I revealed to them that I did know some sign language, but mainly swear words [laughter]. That wasn’t what they were hoping for!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And you have to do them on people’s hands as well if they’re deaf.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh it was so cool, it was amazing. I loved watching it. And I want to learn it now. That’s my 2026 goal is to learn it.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You need to teach us those off air, Juliette.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, I will teach you the swear words [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Juliette, home or away?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Away, let’s do it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Away, wow. I’m going to run out of away questions at this rate.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I can go home if you like?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, no, no.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I don’t want to go home. I’m having fun. I’m having fun right now [laughter]. I would like to stay please.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý We’re talking about mobility, and I can’t tell you what kind. If you were doing a home question of course it would have been about mental health. What does a white can with red bands indicate, Juliette?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, I saw someone using one the other day.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Very good.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, so red bands is going to be something very specific. It’s going to be visual impairment surely?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Plus.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Plus mobility.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, plus?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Plus something else?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý What we were just talking about a minute ago.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh deaf blindness, they’re deaf blind, really?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, but you gave that to me. I don’t feel like I earned that.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Take it, take it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, that’s okay, take your points.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, I’m taking the points.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Two points for Juliette.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Merry Christmas.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right, Jack, home or away?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Hello. May I go home please?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, you’re having fun [laughter].

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes. I was going to say that should put me on solid footing, but if the question is going to be about cerebral palsy then maybe that’s not the best choice of words [laughter].

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Jack has come wearing a very smart suit, so you came to do business in this.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Exactly.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh did he, right okay. Okay this one: what is the term for when only one side of your body is affected by cerebral palsy? Because cerebral palsy is your home subject.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It is indeed.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, what’s the name of the term when one side of your body is affected by cerebral palsy, for example one arm, one leg?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s some kind of plegia.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý But I don’t know. I think I’m diplegic.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, what does that mean?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s two sides of one half of the body I believe.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do it etymologically.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay. Is it your arms or your legs?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Legs.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Think of a name for half.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Is it hemiplegic?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes! Wow!

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý There we go.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Very good.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý One point for Jack.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m really pleased to have got that to be honest.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well done. Points at the end of round one. This is the end of round one, by the way. Gary O’Donoghue you’ve zero points.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh dear.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Juliette Burton three points.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yay!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And Jack one point.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Wow.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý There’s loads of time though.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Three is quite the lead there.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m feeling good. This might be the highlight of my year [laughter].

MUSIC-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý We’re not just a podcast. Find Access All on social media and read our articles on the Â鶹Éç News website.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý All right, round two. [Music] Gary, home or away?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, what to do? I’m going to go home.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, fine.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m really appreciating that Gary’s on a screen decorated by tinsel, which makes it look, Gary, like you are quite festive right now. You have really gone to town on your headgear of multicoloured tinsel.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s so you, so you Gary.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s very me yes. I did play Father Christmas once during a From the Edge episode, which was unpleasant actually because the costume smelt rather rancid from the Â鶹Éç costume store.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ew!

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Next time you’re on Capitol Hill I’m expecting a tinsel halo. That would be a great addition.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Absolutely, absolutely.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Another highlight of Gary’s From the Edge career was when he got his sight back at Lourdes in France.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh yes, that upset a few people.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Gary, home question for you: who are the famous 70s singing duo with one blind man and a sighted woman who reached number one with the song Welcome Home in 1973, after being successful on Opportunity Knocks [song plays]?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do you know, I saw these two live.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Wow, really?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý In a holiday camp in Devon.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý [Laughs]

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Just asserting my working class background, you see.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Can you sing along?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I cannot.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay. You could be him. You could be him.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý He did wear dark glasses a lot, didn’t he, I think from memory?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Don’t they all? All the blind men who sing wear dark glasses.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý They do now, they do now with these smart glasses. Everyone suddenly thinks it’s okay to wear dark glasses, including me.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, this is very strange, blind people have started to wear glasses now because they’ve got the AI in them that tell you what’s going on because you’ve cameras and stuff. Anyway, I digress. What is the actual answer?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Peters and Lee.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes, Gary, yes it is.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, I’m on the scoreboard.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Two points.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I didn’t know. I was waiting for the answer, but no.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I didn’t know either. Well done, Gary.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý They were of their time I think is the way to put it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý They were not a married couple. Diane Lee is actually married to one of the guys from Wizard, I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That is festive.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And Lenny Peters, who was the blind one, actually died in 1992, so there you go. Gary’s got one point.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Hallelujah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Juliette you’re next. Home or away?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going to go home. I’m going to try and keep my lead, keep my lead strong.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, I knew you’d be strategic. I said that.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You also said that you were running out of away questions [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh bless you, bless you. Who is the president of the charity Mind?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh no, oh no, oh no. This is going to be my head hanging in shame. They are a great charity. I remember the, I know the CEO used to be Paul Farmer and then it changed to a wonderful woman. I’m going to have to throw it open to everybody else because I…

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý A very famous man.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, Stephen Fry?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, then I know that [laughs].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You actually did know that, you just needed a little…

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý My confidence was, even though I’m in the lead, I was like, I don’t know anything, I really don’t.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ah. It’s Stephen Fry, absolutely.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Amazing, okay Stephen Fry.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý He’s been the president since 2011 and of course he had a famous documentary.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý President. I was going for CEO and that’s not the thing to go for. It was president, yeah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, it’s the figurehead role, isn’t it. He very famously had a documentary in 2006 called The Secret Life of a Manic Depressive about having bipolar.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Fun fact: my first ever therapy appointment my mum gave me an article about Stephen Fry, an interview with him about his conditions and that was when I was 14. And he’s always been somebody that I’ve looked up to at least for his openness.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Amazing. Well, there you go, he’s doing his job. Well done. Jack, home or away?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I am going to go home please.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Which American comedian with cerebral palsy, because that’s your home subject, cowrote and starred in a Â鶹Éç comedy called Jerk where he played a jerk?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ah, that is fellow comic and funny bloke Tim Renkow.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes!

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I knew it, it was right there.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right back to you, Gary. Home or away?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going to go away again. Can you give me an easy one?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý This is actually for you. Polio is the chosen disability. How do you feel about polio, Gary? Ìý

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I know two things about polio.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah? One of them is the answer to this question probably. What are the two things you know?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý The two things I know is that we used to get the vaccination on a sugar lump, and the other is that FDR had it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right, here’s your question. Which US president contracted polio? [Laughter]

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Now, let me just think about this one very carefully.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And used a wheelchair?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Let me rack my brains. Ah yes, FDR.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Full name being?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes it was. And he wasn’t seen often in his wheelchair, was he?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh no, no.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý He kind of kept it on the down low.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Very much so, yeah, it was hidden. It was basically hidden from the public completely. They would sort of prop him up. I don’t know if you call them callipers anymore, but effectively in leg iron type things to make him stand up at times.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And his bodyguards I think as well would help to prop him up too. But there now is a statue of FDR in Washington DC and that was put there in 1997.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do you know, I did not know that.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, and you live there.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I know. How outrageous is that? I must go and find that.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Leave Adelaide now and go over there to find it [laughter].

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Two points please, two points.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Gary you’ve got two points. I definitely didn’t choose that one for you, I definitely just went random, definitely, definitely. But two points for Gary O’Donoghue. Now Juliette, home or away?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Let’s go home again.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Especially a mental health focused question especially for Juliette. That’s her home subject. How many people experience a mental health problem in England in any given year?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, it’s famously one in four is the stat.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s what I have on my card, so you’ve already won.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý But we need to say that that is only people who are diagnosed, A, and also people who are willing to come forward. So, there are highly likely to be far, far, far more people who have mental ill health and mental illness conditions that are either undiagnosed or are not seeing a GP at the moment.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý These figures are from Mind, and I guess they can only count what they can see.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Exactly. So, one in four apparently.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right. And six in 100 people experience PTSD or complex PTSD. Just a little extra for you there. That’s one point for you Juliette. Well done.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Thank you.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Jack, home or away?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Can I go home please?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You can.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Since I had success with it last time.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Here we go: spastic cerebral palsy is the most common, caused by stiff muscles. It causes problem with movement. But what is dyskinetic cerebral palsy?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, is that a kind of shaking and tremors?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes. It’s involuntary movements and coordination issues. Well done.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Lovely, I’ll take that.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well done.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý They all count. It’s a tap in, but they all count.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý They all count.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, there are four types of cerebral palsy.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Are there? Did you know that, Jack?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I knew there was more than spastic.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Could you name them for an extra point?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No [laughter].

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Gary, John, Penelope palsy.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It is actually ataxic and mixed.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think I knew ataxic.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý What are you?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I am spastic.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, thank you for that. There we go, end of round two. What are the scores? What’s on the board, Miss Ford? At the end of round two Jack and Gary have three points, Juliette Burton has five points.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah! Cor, this is better than Strictly because I don’t have to do any dancing.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You can dance if you like.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Sure, happy dance.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That is quite the lead.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right, this is the last round. [Music] I think I’m being told to make it slightly more quickfire, but with me that’s not going to happen.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý We’re bantering too much.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Gary, home or away?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s got to be away, hasn’t it? I can crash and burn.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Right, Gary, you’re blind.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I am.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s your home subject. Your away subject this section is about being deaf. What is IS?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý What is IS?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý In terms of the deaf community, Gary [laughter].

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay. Any clues?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s similar to BSL and ASL but it’s not.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think I’ve got it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý What’s the I?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Wait, wait, wait. How about…

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, BSL is British.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý …international?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes! International Sign. It is a simplified pidgin language that’s used at big international events where lots of people from different countries who use sign language come together, and it’s to help them communicate with each other.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You mentioned pidgin there, if anyone has not been on to the Â鶹Éç pidgin site and read their news stories it is a beautiful language.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It really is.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Really?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s fantastic to read.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And so many people read it as well.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s like music when people read it out loud. It’s fantastic.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And what’s interesting is we read it with a screen reader, so we are interpreting it but the screen reader is doing its own thing as well. It’s really, really lovely. This IS is kind of more gesture-y than…

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s sign language, yeah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, and it’s good for international conferences and stuff. Excellent. Juliette, home or away?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý How many questions do we get in this round?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You’ve got two more questions left.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Two more questions left. I’m going to go h…no, away, I’m going to go away. The pressure!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No worries, no worries, no worries.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh no, it’s exciting, it’s exciting. My heart’s actually going, I’m actually feeling it. Can’t let our disabled community down.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý This one is actually about autism, so it’s kind of a home subject still.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý All right, go for it. Yes, I do have this condition [laughs].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Is it a condition though?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Aw well, we don’t have time [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, what is the word for the range of physical and motor movements and sounds that some autistic people do to…

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Stims!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes! I was going to say to regulate big emotions or just for the pure joy of it.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Stims.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Speaking of big emotions, you just got one there, right there.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I did, I just leapt out of my chair. I knew it!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do you have a stim?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I didn’t realise. I’m late diagnosed autistic and with ADHD. And I either use fidget spinners on pens, specifically on pens. I used to when I was a child, and I realise I still do it, I twiddle my hair in a very specific way that’s very fast. I’m doing it right now. It’s very soothing around my fingers and I can tie knots in it. And I didn’t realise I did. Some of my friends also tap their knees and things. But yes, I do have stims.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Anyone else have a stim they want to tell me about?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Not consciously. I don’t know. Maybe someone can pick up on the video.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý My therapist also recommended that I use hairbands on my wrist to tie knots as well, because it does help me focus a lot better.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Gary, any thoughts? Any stims?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m not sure it counts. when as a child I was sent away to school I used to fold the corners of pillowcases into little sharp corners and dig them under my fingernails.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes, that’s a stim.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Is that it?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s definitely a stim, and also a good way of keeping your fingernails clean I suppose.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Very good for that too [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, you don’t do it now though?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do you do anything with your fingernails now to keep yourself focused?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No. Well, I have this terrible thing where I pick my fingers when I’m under pressure, pick the skin at the side of them and make them bleed.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think what we’re saying here though, I know we’re being ridiculously medical with this quiz and very unusual for Access All, but I think what’s coming out here is that it’s all mixed up and it’s all very interesting and life based, and we all have our different things.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Lots and lots of blind people, and I was one of them when I lost my sight first, poke their eyes. You know, a knuckle in the eye.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý To get feedback I think.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, I think it’s a comfort. It seems to provide some comfort. It’s too common to be a one off. I mean, I think people grow out of it a bit, but lots of blind children I knew when I was younger would put a knuckle in the corner of the eye, a sort of second knuckle.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah. And a lot of blind kids in my boarding school, me included, would rock, so rock backwards and forwards.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh yeah, people did do that.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s kind of stimming stimulation as well. I think when it’s not looking around you as well, you know, you're not getting stimulation, the same levels of stimulation from beyond yourself.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, for you it’s like it’s a way of stimulating yourself more? Whereas for me it’s like I’ve been overstimulated so I need to sooth myself.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý A lot of people with autism who are female, who are late diagnosed, apparently there’s a link between that and eating disorders, which is my first diagnosed mental health condition. Because, again, managing overwhelming thoughts and feelings through food. It can be linked to so many things. We’re only just at the tip of understanding it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, absolutely. Jack, your question, home or away?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Away please. I need to start making up some ground.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, so if it were home it would be cerebral palsy. As we’re away we’re going to talk about cystic fibrosis. In people with cystic fibrosis what substance is normally elevated in their sweat?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Hmm…

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You know the way cystic fibrosis there’s a lot of coughing, build-up of mucus?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý So, this is something that would ordinarily break that down.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Is it, uh…

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, what’s in sweat?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Alcohol [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Is that what’s in yours?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Around this time of year indeed.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý To break down mucus is it some kind of…?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s also in tears.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, salt.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yay!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well done. I’ve become the helper.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You’re supporting, which is appropriate in this particular Question of Support.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, exactly.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah, I’m a supportive quiz host.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Indeed.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Do we give Jack two points for that seeing as I helped quite a lot?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s Christmas.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s a reasonable adjustment for my lack of knowledge [laughter]. Goodwill.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý It’s Christmas goodwill.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I don’t think ignorance counts as a disability [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý We’re on our final three questions. Gary O’Donoghue, which would you prefer, home or away?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going all in for away.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay. In numbers, Gary O’Donoghue, what is the estimated true prevalence of ADHD amongst adults in England? So, that’s going beyond people who have a diagnosis formally.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, I’m going to say it’s probably 10%, so I’m going to say 4 million.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh, good guess, but way off the mark.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh. So, not a good guess [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, as in it is high, but just not quite that high. Juliette, I’d say you’re going to know this.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I don’t know if I do.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý The reason I thought you would know it is because you’re really stats-y, and also once you get into something your hyperfocus is amazing and you know lots of stuff.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That is true, but it’s mainly about comic books and video games [laughter]. Let’s go, okay, I’m going to say 3.2.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh well done, 2.5 million, 4.3% of the population.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ah.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Now I know that I’m not going to forget it.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, definitely not. And that’s from November 2025, so that’s NHS Digital estimation.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That’s already a month out of date. There’s more of us now [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Juliette, home or away?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’ll go home.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Okay, cool. Which artist, famous for painting starry night skies…

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Van Gogh.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes [laughter]. He struggled with his mental health and he admitted himself to a French psychiatric hospital in 1889.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Big fan of his for obvious reasons. But yeah, I went to see loads of exhibitions about him in Amsterdam because he painted there and lived there for a while.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And why are you so interested in him?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Because of his mental ill health. Starry Night he could see the energies and he could see things that other people couldn’t see. And I’ve had hallucinations. And I love connecting with artists throughout the centuries who have had similar experiences because it feels like it connects us beyond time and space.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Wow. But you see this is the thing, when we were doing this quiz it was like, will people want to talk about their disabilities, will they not, are they interested, do they know stuff, do they not. And I think it’s a mixed bag, isn’t it, you either do think about it or you don’t. Do you think, do you know lots about cerebral palsy do you think, Jack?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I don’t know as much as I possibly should. It’s always interesting to find out something you didn’t know where you go, oh that’s connected to that. But because you’re used to it you don’t even think of it as a facet of the… Like the tiredness and energy management and that kind of thing is something that becomes a little bit more prevalent as I’ve got older, but I didn’t really think of that as part of the thing.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That is the thing often with people who have got cerebral palsy, the amount of pressure you put on your limbs and everything, walking for all this time in a way that is overcompensating or using your frame or whatever, as you do, it gets a little harder as you get older sometimes.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Gary, being blind is that something that you think about, are interested in, know lots about? I think yes.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No. Well, no, I don’t think I do. And because they never really knew what caused my blindness, I don’t have a specific blindness related disease, RP or anything like that, so I’ve never really been part of one of those sort of groupings within the blind community.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, me neither. Random.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah. So, if you said to me what is RP I would struggle to tell you.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah. But are you interested in the aspects of blind community and blind life?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Of course, yeah, increasingly so I think over the years.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Why increasingly so?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think you resolve, well I resolve a lot of things about being comfortable with it over the years, and try to get the balance between the extent to which it is you, part of you, not part of who you are, you know. Those are my views of the balance between all those different things has shifted I think over time. It’s endlessly fascinating though because you can’t really know how much you are shaped by it, not shaped by it etc.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I always say that I am who I am because of and in spite of my conditions.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think you become who you are, you learn certain personality aspects of yourself because you are living with those conditions. But that’s not everything you are. You are the space in between those things.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I think a lot of positive things can come from that as well. I think my verbal dexterity and stuff came from the fact that I couldn’t run and get what I wanted. I had to learn to ask for what I wanted, and I got good at talking through that and all that kind of thing.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And making people feel comfortable when you’re sitting there trying to make stuff happen without being able to rush around and make it happen.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý You learn how to do it in a way that people don’t feel like they’re doing a massive favour or that they don’t feel upset or bad about doing it for you.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And having to manage other people from an early age as well.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Would that being said about a massive favour, I’m hoping that you’ll give me a point on this next round [laughter].

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý All right, last question, Jack. Home or away?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going to have to go away. I’m going to have go all in.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Reach for the stars I say.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yeah.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Even though my heads says go home, I need to go away.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well, as Gary O’Donoghue and S Club 7 would say, reach for the stars [laughter]. Which British mathematician was well known as a code breaker struggled with is mental health and was posthumously pardoned by the British government for being gay many, many years later?

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý That would be Alan Turing.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well done, good job. That is two points for you. And at the end of this game, what would we call it, the end of this marathon…

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ordeal, no?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Ordeal [laughter].

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý End of the first pilot episode of [laughter]. The series will be coming soon.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý At the end of A Question of Support…

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý This is so tense!

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I have no idea.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý …Gary O’Donoghue at the bottom of the leaderboard. He’s very good at politics.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well done, Gary.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Very good at being a journalist, but he’s got five points.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Well played, well played mate.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý In the middle of the leaderboard, second place is Jack Carroll.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Oh my god!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý With seven points. Which means that the winner is Juliette Burton with eight points, and I’m so glad.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I’m going to do a victory lap! I’m going to run around!

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý She’s just showing off, Jack, that she can run around the studio [laughter].

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes, indeed.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Can you get me a glass of water while you’re up?

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I can. Here you go.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Indeed.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Thank you.

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I would like to thank my friends. I would like to thank the Â鶹Éç. I would like to thank Emma for giving me the easy questions.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I would like to thank your hyperfocus and your number of diagnoses for making this easier for you.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Next stop the Oscars.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Would you ever get to cover the Oscars, Gary?

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý No, I know nothing about films.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý I would like to see you on the red carpet.

GARY-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Would you? In a red dress?

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý In a red dress, yeah, picking your fingernails [laughter]. Thank you to all three contestants for being fantastic supports, Gary O’Donoghue, Jack Carroll who has a tour coming up apparently.

JACK-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Yes, The Fall Guy, tickets now available.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý And Juliette Burton, our winner!

JULIETTE-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Thank you so much. If anyone would like to come and see me win on stage then I have comedy shows coming up in 2026, lots of different shows, so you can go on my website and check them out.

EMMA-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Thank you so much everybody, and Merry Christmas.

ALL-ÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌýÌý Merry Christmas!

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