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鈥淒onald Trump was indicating that they will attack Iran for a few days and then the system will collapse, and then they will repeat what they have done in Venezuela. And everything went into a different direction. The Iranian nation is not a nation to surrender.鈥�

Evan Davis speaks to Ali Bahreini, Iran鈥檚 Ambassador to the United Nations, about the ongoing war. He talks about Iran鈥檚 nuclear negotiations, how it says the war is unfolding, and why it believes their strikes on neighbouring countries are justified.

Bahreini has represented the Islamic Republic of Iran in international diplomacy since 1999. He is now speaking at a time of heightened regional and global tension, following a wave of strikes by the United States and Israel, and Iran鈥檚 retaliatory attacks across the Middle East.

Despite senior Iranian figures being killed, Bahreini insists Iran remains defiant and will never surrender.

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