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鈥淥ne of the things that鈥檚 fascinating about him simply as a historical study is the recognition that shamelessness is a superpower, and he refuses to be shamed in almost any action that he takes. He also realised that he doesn鈥檛 have to abide by the US system, which is primarily norms and not laws. He is testing them in a way they have never been tested before.鈥�

Paddy O鈥機onnell speaks to Maggie Haberman, White House correspondent for The New York Times and co-author of Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.

Maggie gives her take on Trump鈥檚 second administration, from the influence of Elon Musk to his increasingly fraught dealings with world leaders.

She also explains her belief Trump鈥檚 second presidency is fundamentally different from his first, and how he is testing the limits of presidential power.

The Interview brings you conversations with people shaping our world, from all over the world. The best interviews coming from the 麻豆社, including episodes with Google CEO Sundar Pichai and author Maggie O鈥橣arrell.

You can listen on the 麻豆社 World Service on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at 0800 GMT. Or you can listen to The Interview as a podcast, out three times a week on 麻豆社 Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presenter: Paddy O鈥機onnell
Producer: Osman Iqbal
Editor: Damon Rose

(Image: Maggie Haberman. Credit: Getty)