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鈥淭his is a legitimate concern of South Africans, where there鈥檚 illegal foreigners, people with no paperwork. No country in the world allows that to happen. Why should we? Our message is very simple. We say, South Africa is open for our brothers on the continent, but come here legitimately. Come here like a civilised human being that wants to come and contribute towards our country.鈥�

Waihiga Mwaura speaks to Gayton McKenzie, South Africa鈥檚 Minister of Sport, Arts and Culture and leader of the Patriotic Alliance, a party that has built much of its support on a hardline stance on illegal migration.

As South Africa is gripped by protests, violence and political division over immigration, McKenzie responds to criticism that his views betray Nelson Mandela鈥檚 legacy of humanity, social justice and freedom.

He rejects accusations that he鈥檚 blaming migrants for South Africa鈥檚 wider problems and argues his approach reflects the concerns of many South Africans.

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Presenter: Waihiga Mwaura
Producer: Osman Iqbal
Editor: Justine Lang

(Image: Gayton McKenzie. Credit: Reuters)