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Evan Davis speaks to David Vigneault, Chief Intelligence Officer at Strider Technologies and former director of Canada鈥檚 intelligence services, about the geopolitical instabilities and technologies that are re-shaping the world order.

Between 2017 and 2024, he was responsible for the operations of CSIS, the country鈥檚 foreign intelligence and security agency. This period presented a number of challenges for Vigneault and his organisation, such as Russia鈥檚 invasion of Ukraine, the rise of AI, and an unpredictable Trump presidency across the border.

You鈥檙e going to hear his take on current tensions around the world, what keeps him up at night, and why he thinks cooperation is key.

Thank you to the PM team for their help in making this programme.

The Interview brings you conversations with people shaping our world, from all over the world. The best interviews from the 麻豆社, including episodes with Ukrainian intelligence chief Vadym Skibitsky, the World Health Organisation鈥檚 Hanan Balkhy, and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres. You can listen on the 麻豆社 World Service on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at 0800 GMT. Or you can listen to The Interview as a podcast, out three times a week on 麻豆社 Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presenter: Evan Davis
Producers: Rosie Seed and Ben Cooper
Editors: Justine Lang and Farhana Haider

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(Image: David Vigneault. Credit: Reuters)