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Radio 4,13 Jul 2018,5 mins

Helen and Joy - Life Is Like a Pack of Cards

The Listening Project

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A daughter worries that her mother may feel she's missed out by not having grandchildren, but both are pragmatic about what life has dealt them. Fi Glover presents another conversation in the series that proves it's surprising what you hear when you listen. Producer: Marya Burgess.

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