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Four and a half minutes changed people's lives forever, says John Helm, who was commenting as the Bradford City fire broke out. In his commentary of the match, Helm remarks on "a small fire in the stand" before the blaze took hold, leading to the death of 56 fans and injury of 258 more. "I can't bear listening to that commentary", he said, "I always felt if somebody had put their foot on it we wouldn't be standing here today talking about the tragic events of May 11th 1985". This clip is originally from 5 live Breakfast on Monday 11 May 2015.