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Dr Sue Black, mother of four, lifted herself out of poverty by studying technology, gaining a degree and a PhD. Now she wants to make every mum tech savvy. She talks to Jenni Murray about her ambitions for her social enterprise, Tech Mums, why she believes that mothers should move to understand their children's interest in social media rather than trying to limit their use of it. First broadcast on Woman's Hour, 20 May 2016.