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A discussion of the change over time of racial ambiguity in America and the U.K. Lisa Kingstone, Senior Teaching Fellow in Race and Identity at Kings College, London, asks what happens to a country like the U.S. that was built on race when the boundaries of black and white have started to fade. Lisa Kingstone is joined by the writer, Bidisha, who discusses racial ambiguity in the U.K. Presented by Laurie Taylor. First broadcast on Thinking Allowed, 5 November 2018.