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Sayeeda Warsi discusses different ways of being gay, with academic and activist Suhraiya Jivraj. They begin their conversation about which death list they were on, for promoting the rights of women and LGBTQ people within Islam, but they move on to the discrimination faced by Muslims in LGBTQ communities. Suhraiya also discusses her own study of the religious sources, and how her grandmother showed her acceptance, without words passing.