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Nick Robinson speaks to Polish President Karol Nawrocki about Trump, Russia and the future of Europe.

A historian and a boxer by background, he was elected in June 2025 with the support of Poland’s conservative opposition Law and Justice Party.

A social conservative and devout Catholic, he is also an outspoken critic of the European Union and staunch supporter of Donald Trump, believing that the US President is the only person who can stop the threat to Europe from Vladimir Putin’s Russia: "Europe for a number of years was involved in not so important things, in ideological issues such as Green Deal for instance, climate policy, migration issues. It was not building its resilience and its security."

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(Image: Polish President Karol Nawrocki. Credit: Wojtek Radwanski/AFP)